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Post by ncxcstud on Apr 11, 2007 21:08:06 GMT -5
Big - never said keeping things were hush hush was a good thing.
The way that information was 'given out' was a no-no though. More than likely would've happened with any company/organization. I hate to see someone lose their job for speaking the truth. But, any organization has a right (no matter how misconstrued or wrong it may be) to terminate someone's employment because they spoke bad about their employer.
I hope, if there is new management, that they'd reconsider him being on the team. We need a center....
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Post by Bill Mothershead on Apr 12, 2007 19:16:33 GMT -5
NCX....I need to disagree with you about comparing YOU leaking office secrets and a football player doing something similar.
Do you watch or follow the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL at all? These players talk about things within the team that *should* be kept within the team to the media all the time. They are not released for that sort of thing. I'm sure they're disciplined, but not released.
I work for Time Warner Cable. If my company required me to work in a less than safe environment, and I said something public about it, they could not, BY LAW, fire me for doing so. OSHA protects me there. I can even say that working there SUCKS and that management doesn't know it's butt from a hole in the ground, and they won't fire me. They won't like it any and they may discipline me, but I'm not giving away company secrets.
I realize this is sports, not the average working class job, but the fact remains he should not have been released for speaking truths. Disciplined, perhaps, but releasing him shows the public that the team is trying to HIDE something that they KNOW is wrong. He didn't say the coach was skimming profits or that the owner was betting on the opposing team. That's grounds for termination. Speaking his mind about HIS "working" conditions is not basis to release him.
If YOUR employer requested that you work everyday with a 25 pound weight hanging off of your neck, and you said something publicly about the CONDITIONS of your working environment, you could not be fired. You may be disciplined. If you spoke about trade secrets or legal matter, then YES you could be fired. But these are two entirely different things.
I'm not jumping down your throat, just trying to point out that releasing Chris was a lousy and WRONG thing to do under the circumstances. It makes the team management come off as a group looking to hide things they KNOW to be wrong.
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Post by ncxcstud on Apr 12, 2007 19:54:57 GMT -5
Actually, I believe in the state of south carolina an employer can fire you for almost anything they want.
Is it wrong, yes. I wholeheartedly agree with. But, an employer can terminate your employment in south carolina for any reason that they choose (as long as it's not discriminitory, ie sex, race, religion, etc...). But, for anything else. Yep they can. Even talking about working conditions.
In the end, I'm agreeing with you guys, yes it's terrible that a player was dismissed because he was talking about how tough it was playing for the Stingers under the circumstances. No pads, no turf, no pay, etc...and it does show that the team is being 'fishy' about something and trying to hide things.
But, the Stingers DO have a right to terminate anyone that they see fit.
I know I'm playing the devil's advocate here. And I KNOW it's wrong that they did release Chris. I'm not condoning that and I hope that new management (if he was released under old management) would see things differently and hopefully ask for him back. If he'd go, who knows, his decision.
But, if i'm reading the 'laws' right, an employer can terminate your employment for any reason and they do not have to divulge that information to you or anyone else.
But, game time is coming up in a few short days, so lets try to focus on that and cheer for the Stingers on Sunday against the Tarpons!!!!
GO STINGERS!!!
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Post by Bill Mothershead on Apr 12, 2007 20:03:03 GMT -5
They can terminate your employment for any or no reason whatsoever, but that's a South Carolina flaw. This is not a right-to-work state, and people need to complain to their legislators about that.
That said, MOST employers wouldn't terminate your employment for saying something like that. Most reputable employers certainly wouldn't do so immediately after you said it. It comes off like a scare tactic to the rest of the workforce (team). And keep in mind, these players do not rely on this team for their sole income. They play for the love of the game, and their "salaries" are merely a bonus for them. $200-$300/game isn't enough to make me swallow everything you throw at me. If they were making, say, $2500/game, then yeah, I might shut up about lousy conditions at work. $200? nah...... I'm gonna speak my mind.
ANYHOW........... GO STINGERS!!!!!! Squish the fish!
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Post by augustaspartans on Apr 27, 2007 19:42:39 GMT -5
Hold it dont down semi pro football folks the Augusta Spartans are really the GA Rajun Bulls the 5th best SEMI pro football team in the nation. With the exception of a few players that we signed. You hold tryouts five times in this area get over 800 phone calls and have less than 100 show up just pitiful. You go out and look at over 50 good players and find one you can sign.
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